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Sorry, that I havn't done anything good för the breed...
OneWay's: Our Collieclub here in Sweden just said that I did nothing good for this breed. But another breeder Gemdales who have my dogs behind her breeding, nearly all litters and now linebreed on my dogs, they rekommended her to the Swedish Kennelclub because she had done so much good for the breed, so the value price that nearly no breeders gets is hers... No I'm not jelous at all, I'm just so dissapointed at our Collieclub. So right now I don't care, and as it feels today I don't want to be in this breed any longer, when nothing you do for the breed is any good. Here is a link to some of my dogs who is behind her fantastic breeding click here
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Heute: Dear OneWay, Don’t get discouraged over this. There will always be people like that out there who will want to bring you down. Keep in mind that you do not breed because of people, you are the breeder because of the breed and dogs themselves and therefore why should you be bothered about such comments. As long as you are ethical and try to do the best you can as a breeder do not allow your day getting spoiled. I always say: Time will tell what has been done Keep Up the Good Work !
cris: Dear Oneway's, I agree with Heute at all! All collies-lovers in the world know the indisputable value of your smooths! Don't care about backbiters!
OneWay's: But when the Collieclub doesn't think you are doing anything good för the breed, than it's a bit to much and when they recommend another breeder to our Kennelclub it's even more wrong. So it's not just backbiters, I used to that and I doesn't care about it. But this was way to hell, to be treated like this by our own collieclub. If this other breeder had her own breeding it should be ok for me, but not now when many of her litters is from my lines and now linebreed to my dogs, and SHE got the credit for it... Most stupid thing I ever heard of. So people will be happy, because I don't care any longer, why try to breed good dogs when it doesn't matter anyway I have offered my bitches I still have to other breeders...
cris: OneWay's wrote: I have offered my bitches I still have to other breeders... What do you mean? I am not sure to have understood..
Heute: OneWay, there will always be politics involved in breeding and you should know this by now. You have been a breeder for a long time, your skin should be thick and this kind of childish behaviour from collie club should not hurt you nor surprise you. Us collie lovers know what you have done for the breed and this is what should matter most ! Who cares what some club thinks, if this collie club is anything like our breed clubs than their opinion and actions really don’t worth much . I know that mistreatment like this hurts you but at the end it is all about dogs and this wonderful breed, people’s opinions are just their opinions and there are always going to be some bad ones out there. It is very easy to succeed with somebody else’s hard work and knowledge that’s why so many people are doing so . What doesn’t break us only makes us stronger.
OneWay's: cris wrote: What do you mean? I am not sure to have understood.. I'm not keeping my sable bitches so I offered another breeder them... because I think they are to good to not be used for breeding, and I don't want to use them.
cris: But I wish strongly a little sable Oneway's puppy in my life, for the future!!
Nirreterrit: Hello Jeanette! I understand what you wrote, it's very painful. Clubs are about opinion of head of the club - just a few people, politics... I don't breed for people, but for the dogs. So I don't care about some people bad mouthing. It's normal, that some will love your breeding as well as other will hate you for the same. Just only opinions and priority. You know, that you made lots of great smooths as well as I know it and lots of breeders know it. It's not random, that I use lots of your blood in my breeding and I love to see them in pedigree with proud. Your Errol is for me the biggest smooth legend. I'm very happy I had the opportunity, I saw him as well as other great smooth. I can't forget mainly Mercan and Per. Thank you for your work.
Twinway: I can just say "thanks" for all the work you made for the smooth collie and for letting me dream about YOUR smooths during long time. I'm like all the other, I think Errol, Per Hempa... are the best ;-) and are the biggest smooth LEGEND ... . I understand you'are so disappointed, you want to stop all with your club but please don't stop !!! I (and others breeeders) need you and all your work in the future ! Thanks for all
cris: Nirreterrit wrote: but please don't stop !!! I (and others breeeders) need you and all your work in the future ! I agree, abolutely! Not only breeder, but all smoothies' lovers need your work!!!
Tentola: OneWay's wrote: Our Collieclub here in Sweden just said that I did nothing good for this breed Jeanette They may think that in Sweden, but the same can not be said in the UK. I know you had problems over Skalle Per, but he has definatly left his mark on the breed. Whenever myself or Anne judge in the Uk we normally find ourselves putting up decendants of Per. Their head qualities are outstanding. Our Rio, Tentola Foreign liaison and his sister in Holland, Mooncradle Mabel have the sweetest of eye's, as from Photo's do Diane's & Francoise's young dogs in France. Both grandsons of Per. Nick & Anne Smith
Jack Mack: Jeanette, what a nonsense, don't they see what is in front of their eyes? I am proud to have started my sucessful career as a breeder with the help of your OneWay's dogs and do remember very well all your advice for a "young" breeder. I am proud to have had the wonderful Multi Ch. OneWay's Al Capone live with me and still have Multi Ch. OneWay's Miraculix as companion, both with sucessful offspring in all Europe. Please - despite this affrond - keep on going!!! Gudrun
Shabtay: My friend and I will write you an e-mail as soon as we get the time to do it! This is complete nonsense, we believe that you are doing some excellent work and we really don't want you to stop!
Natalain: When I only start to have deal with smooth collies I knew only few kennels around the world. And One Ways was one of them... I think it`s enough to see Database statistics for to see how much your breeding influence on world breeding... http://smooth-collie-database.freehostia.com/statistics.php
cris: Jack Mack's wrote: Jeanette, what a nonsense, don't they see what is in front of their eyes? ... Please - despite this affrond - keep on going!!! Well said, Gudrun!!
cris: I add: my boy is a Jack Mack's x Oneway's son, what's better?
Roberta Semenzato: OneWay don't take care of this, all smooth collie owners know what kind of work you done for the breed and all of us know that oneway is one of the top s.c. kennel in the world As we say: "FORZA ONEWAY!!!" (go oneway, go!)
Bill: Hey Jeanette, Who are they that try to undo a work that cannot be undon? This political manouver cannot be tolerated. Do you remember while I was sitting at your kitchen table and was doubtful you said "never give up". the american Bill who visited you more than once, and believe it or not Miracualix is one of the best.
OneWay's: Thanks for all kind words, but I'm so tired of all this shit :( When your own collieclub thinks everything you does is just crap, and nothing worth, and high someone else who uses your breeding to the BIG skyes and nominated that breeder to our kennelclubs highest price that a breeder can get here. This honourprice is given to 10 breeders in ALL breeds every second year... I don't care at all if I never ever should get it, but the reason I think this is wrong is that someone else get it to breed from my dogs... I don't get it. Next planned breeding in that breeders house has my Ch OneWay's Bloody Mary FIVE times behind, I don't have her that many times in my own breeding, so that litter is a close linebreeding on my shitdogs, wonder why??? are the pups better if they are born with another kennelname? No one ever look at pedigrees?? Right now I don't think it's fun to have or breed smooths at all... but I have mated one of the bitches I have on breedingterms, because I still have people who's waiting for puppies. I have my chihuahuas and have now bought a Sredneasiatskaja Ovtjarka bitch, she is only 3,5 months old, so I will se what's going to happen in the future... people who have these breeds are not that crazy that swedish colliebreeders, here everything about collie is ONLY workingtrials & obedience, everything else is crap and to buy dogs with right kennelnames. But to get prices in obedience and workingtrials depends on the owners interest, and with all shit people are saying about other dogs capasity to work, people with this interest just buy their dogs in a few different places both in roughs & smooths. They buy a name not a dog. I got a bitch back in january, she competes in the highest class in obedience, she was ONE point from her Obediencechampion title, she also competed as a searchdog, and was moved up to the highest class in agility, she is shown with 5 CC's and is CEA-free and has A-hips. And when colliepeople here was writing at a forum that this was a SHIT dog, I felt it's enough, the ONLY thing that is wrong with this bitch is that she is born with MY kennelname, if she had another kennelname and hadn't done as much as this bitch the dog should be FANTASTIC and praced to the skyes as something really good as a working dog. When I told a friend who breed dobermanns about this bitch her comment was, she MUST be a fantastic allround dog, that bitch should be used for breeding. When I told her that if I should use this bitch for breeding, people here shouöd warn others to not buy a pup from this bad bitch, she thought I was crazy, but that's true, this bitch isn't good enough. I see red when I se ALL these false swedish colliepeople, and to hear that I don't know ANYTHING and that I'm just stupid and jelous, because others are doing so much better with their breeding, I'm tired to hear this especially from the beginners in the breed, newcomers that had smooths for 4-5 years and thinks they know everything. Wonder how much these superbreeders has done for the smooths when they breed for 25 years All this takes to much energy, that can be used for something else. Yesterday we where out in the wood to do some tracking, and the horses take some time to.
Fanna: I sure hope Jeanette that you will not (ever) stop breeding smooth collies. I am one of those who are waiting for a puppy from OneWays and it sure took time to find a breeder that does live up to my expectations. I have always liked the look of the OneWays dogs so it was really nice to meet them and find out that the character and temperament also was to my liking. I don´t know what the Swedish kennel club values most with breeders, but I value most is an honest breeder who knows his dogs. Mental tests and other merits are fine but they can never be the same as what an honest breeder can do (and clearly you have done). Fanna
willowhurst: Hi , not sure whats really going on , or whats been said , however all I DO know is if it wasnt for Oneways Skalle Per then Ruth wouldnt have had Tina (Pelghart Private Dancer ) and we wouldnt have our beautiful mickey. When we came over to Sweden in July , the Oneways dogs looked very nice , especially Oneways Top Speed amongst others. fiona xx
willowhurst: Tentola wrote: but the same can not be said in the UK. I know you had problems over Skalle Per, but he has definatly left his mark on the breed. Whenever myself or Anne judge in the Uk we normally find ourselves putting up decendants of Per. You gave our Mickey RCC Thank you Anne !!! xxxxx
bells: I am so sorry this has happened! How very unfair. Hempa. Lovely Hempa. For me, he was so much One Way! You have lovely collies. Since I first saw them on your web page in 1998, I have been so impressed by how versatile they are! Just name it, they can do it successfully. Please don't let these hurful words discourage you! Your smooths are such an education in what smooths truly should be. Best Regards, Karen tewart , Bellwether Collies , USA.
COWNBRED: Please don't do anything crazy....you sound like me ...sooooooooooooo annoyed at the way fools treat you. Remember but for you this other breeder would be invisible. You put her where she is in one respect. You and your expertise, intelligence and devotion to the Smooth Collie. You gave her this acknowledgment in Smooths because you breed fantastic Smooths. This is the reason YOU SHOULD CARRY ON AND SHOW THE IDIOTS THAT YOU ARE THE BEST...NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. I have had some trouble here with some members of our club, and stupid 'Johnny come latelys'....and committee members who are not here for the right reasons....Petty, infantile people who came after me and will be gone before me....Don't let them beat you...Keep up the good work and carry on being a force to be reckoned with..... I was close to quitting last year...after 29 years in Smooths. Then I thought...WHAT MATTERS MOST TO ME? IS IT THE DOGS OR THOSE MISGUIDED FOOLS WHO TREAT ME BADLY? I decided I was better than them, and here I am, sticking 2 fingers up at the lot of them. Always remember the dogs come first. Your dogs/kennel are a legend and you must not cower to those who will do you down. Hang on in there. It will blow over and you'll feel better, but you won't forget. What does the opinion of the minority matter when the majority are behind you. Go to it girl, and show them what you're made of. You can do it. My best wishes for your long future IN SMOOTH COLLIES.
COWNBRED: PS......I've read all that has been said about your upset....and do you know....GB is exactly the same. 5/6/7 yrs in Smooths and they think they know it all. I've been in dogs 47 yrs and I'll never know it all(I HOPE!) I love to learn something new every day, especially about dogs. Others come and pick your brains and go away to do their own thing....with YOUR knowledge. I'm very free with my knowledge because I hope that it will benefit the dogs. I'm told you're the same. I have never heard a bad word about you and that is excellent as far as I'm concerned. Remember, some of those who make this type of descission are not as knowledgable as you are.....and that is very sad. I wish I'd been able to do as much for Smooths in GB as you've done, both there at home, and here in GB, and the rest of the world. I'm sure you have all DECENT Smooth breeders behind you. to the ones who deserve this ................................ to the rest of us.
minidonk: Hi I am new to the forum. I am usually benched next to Willowhurst at the UK shows!! Oneways collies are World famous. I am showing a Grandson of Skalle Per at the moment. I also show another type of animal and have been really sucessful, so much so that I am treated like something the others have stepped in! You have achieved so much Jeanette. enjoy your Dogs and keep going. Whatever you do, carry on with your Smooths! Best Wishes Ann
myrnash: Jeanette, I can't imagine how they can say that you have not done anything good for the breed. You have consistently had absolutely wonderful dogs, and your dogs are behind many of the other famous lines. I agree so much with what the others have said.
OneWay's: Thanks for your kind words!!! But it still feels bad, that you always get picked on, never does any good, and I'm so sicken tired of colliepeople here in Sweden and our collieclub:( For now the last year I have not showed any of my own dog... and I had 2 smooth puppies last year, felt strange. But tomorrow we are leaving for Cruft's... with 2 smooth:)
Jack Mack: Hi Jeanette, great, so we will meet at Crufts! I will be without dogs, they did not meet the required rabies titer :-((( /Gudrun
myrnash: Good luck at Crufts!
danielle: It's a mainly rough collie forum begun by Wicani legend Angela Harvey, who despite 30 years of successful breeding is currently expelled from Collienet Forum for daring to try and restore genetic diversity to the UK rough collie by importing 2 Canadaian Champions sires, as well as exporting a sire of her own breeding to Canada. The forum is open to all those who want to see a return to the "classic" style of collie. One of our members is the head of DuneCollies a famous Canadian Smooth Kennel . I think joining would really help your perspective!
shulune: Dont give up,you & your kennel are well known all over the world,and im amongst the lucky ones who have your line behind their breeding, when i mated my bitch a few years ago i looked for a stud from, per or at least in the pedigree as i never got the chance to use him while he was in the uk the temprements from this line is FANTASTIC and it passes on down the generations so a BIG THANK YOU for all your hard work KEEP IT UP michelle & shulune ( GB )
Glenmorangie: Hello all :-) I am an old Collie fan, small breeder who started with Roughs in 1977 up to 1995 (my Oldest bitch died in 2001 at the honourable age of 15) and newcomer in the Smooth Collie since 2006. Until now, I did not butt in this topic but I do it today because : 1) it seems to me that Mrs Savlund has always worked FOR the Smooth Collie, not against. The proof is that we still see many of her most famous Sires and Dams behind lots of today Smooth Collies pedigrees. I think that if some of the greatest Smooth Collie breeders take dogs or bitches from one particular kennel, it is not for peanuts. All my five Smoothies carry OneWay's bloodline. Even my "Oldie" Ch. Dandinas Graceful Gift "Nina" (who is the result of a happy "melting pot" ) carries Ch. OneWay's Classic Case in her fifth generation. You can see by yourself : - Ch. Dandinas Graceful Gift "Nina" : < http://www.glenmorangie-collies.com/ninapedigree.html > - Florence del Passo del Turchino : < http://www.glenmorangie-collies.com/florencepedigree.html > - Mooncradle Prospero's Speech "Flynn" : < http://www.glenmorangie-collies.com/flynnpedigree.html > - Dainty Dor Damona of Glenmorangie and the rest of my "D" litter, 2008 : < http://www.glenmorangie-collies.com/damonapedigree.html > 2) I just read Danielle's post about Mrs Harvey's "forum story" and I can't prevent myself to believe that, often, when a person has different ideas from most others, this person pays the strongest cost of her "liberty". Still, another British breeder (Brooklynson) imported a wonderful Brazilian sire few years before she imports her Canadians. When one of his son won the Cruft's CC 2007, he has been treated lower than earth by....... few French "breeders" (yes between " " because demonstrating such ostracism and obscurantism is not worth on behalf of a Breeder). Myself is "punished" (my God, they therefore have nothing more interesting to do in their life !!!) since last year for having said in this forum that "most of the today Rough Collies are "Potatoe-Couch"" The one who reported this to someone I knew for about thirty years has not had the courage to tell me, face to face, what it thought about my saying. NO, this one just reported it to this other person and from now on our relationship is reduced to the strict essential : MY Collies. I really don't mind, I have so many other interesting (or not ) things to do in my life that I really don't have the time to even glance at these gossips. You know what ? For the FIRST time of our main Club shows history, the famous championship CAC has not been given in Smooth male classes !!! 4 males in competition, one in Intermediate Class, two in Open Class and one in Breeder Class. Two of these dogs got Very Good, the other two got Exc.1st, each in their respective class. These two dogs are....... MINE Finally, the NL judge decided to not give one of my dogs the CAC...... despite excellent comments for each. So, no French Champion in Smooth males this year at our main Club show !!!! And then ? There are so many other opportunities for me to make my dogs Champions that the Tricolour Ribbon is not very important. A French judge (by hazard, the French Collie Club president) went to CZ for judging all Collies at the CZ Collie Club Show. Well. One of my "D" pup was entered in Intermediate Class and got..... Exc.4th : he "has divergent position of the rear legs" I can accept many things in the only condition that they are fair. I know my dogs and I am really sure that he has excellent rear legs. So, why inventing faults where there is no one ???? Hmm.... I know the response but I decently can't tell it here Warning, warning : this year, the S.C.C. French Championship is held in Paris-Villepinte and is.... Cruft's Qualifying So, Foreign Breeders and Owners, "Get up, Stand up" for making this show a *True* Competition Also, keep in mind that this Championship is a "prototype" of the next 2011 World Wide Dog Show, in the same place....... Hopefully we will see Mrs Jeannette Savlund there with some of her Dear Smoothies Best regards, Françoise
Jack Mack: I can add a little bit to that: When I first started to show in France I was wondering why so few dogs from other countries were shown there, I was told that french judges always place french dogs first and there are very few judges from abroad ever judging in France. Wonder why french judges are invited in our countries so frequently??? My example: I did not show my bitch myself at a french championship show but a good friend of mine, a fine handler. When the (french) judge went over her he asked, where the bitch comes from and my friend told him...........she was placed ex 4 - a multiple champion of different countries. Maybe it happend the same with your dog in CZ??? Strange that only very few french smooths are ever shown in other european countries......... I know a lot of people read this and I do not care, I will not show in France any more anyway. Jeanette - go for it !!!!
Gabriela: to Glenmorangie Concerning Czech shows, the number of entries with judges coming from faraway countries is usually twice as high as the number with Czech judges. The reason is simple. People who are interested in smoothies know each other very good, which is also true of our national judges. The judges prefer not only their own collie type, but also their own "breeder and owner type" :-) It cannot be helped and I guess this happens in all countries. The French judge at our last club show was a good chance for many showers, especially beginners, to get a title without FACE judging. On the other hand, for your young boy it was a coincidence and maybe bad luck.
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